Further Notes on the City Myth
Apr. 24th, 2025 10:17 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Recall how I have been tracing two categories of myths: the city myth, and the hero myths that are embedded within the city myth? I think they describe two different categories of time: the city myth is cyclical, while the hero myth is linear. The city myth therefore describes the world, but the hero myth describes one's experience within the world; and it must be noted that there are many heroes for a given city, each with different goals: some, like Ganumedes, are spirited away during the city's lifetime; some, like Aineias and Teiresias, leave the city before it is destroyed to found a new one; some, like Horos and Orestes and Alkmaion, avenge their father who was betrayed while away at the city; some, like Perseus and Odusseus, merely find their way home.
But let me take a moment to describe why I think the city-myth is cyclic. If we look at the royal line of Thebai from it's founding to it's destruction, we see these seven generations:
↓ Kadmos Founds Thebai. Given necklace of Harmonia. ↓ | → | Oudaios Born from the earth. ↓ |
Poludoros ↓ | Euerous ↓ | |
Labdakos ↓ | Teiresias Lives for seven generations. ↓ | |
Laios ↓ | ↓ | |
Oidipous ↓ | ↓ | |
Seven Against Thebai ↓ | ↓ | |
Epigone Laodamas killed. Thersandros's line continues on but leaves Thebai. The necklace is taken to Argos. × | Leaves Thebai to found Haliartos. ↓ |
We see a hero found the city, and then seven generations later, his line peters out, but a new hero arises and leads a remnant of the city to found a new city as the old one is destroyed.
Now, compare this to the Troian royal line:
↓ Dardanos Founds Dardanos. ↓ | |
Erikhthonios ↓ | |
Tros | |
↙ Ilos Founds Troia, which mostly subsumes Darnados. ↓ | ↘ Assarakos ↓ |
Laomedon ↓ | Kapus ↓ |
Priam ↓ | Ankhises ↓ |
Hektor Zeus withdraws favor. Line ends. × | Aineias Leaves Troia and rebuilds it after the Akhaians sack it. ↓ |
This is very similar: a city is founded, the primary line dies, but a secondary line spawns a hero who founds a new city after the destruction of the first, seven generations later.
We see that many of these cities come from previously founded cities: Thebai is founded because Kadmos is barred from returning home; Haliartos is founded because Thebai is destroyed; Dardanos is founded because of a catastrophic flood that destroyed Arkadia; Troia is refounded after it is burned to the ground.
I think these indicate world ages, after which the old world is destroyed in fire and flood and a new one begins, just like Plato's priest of Sais describes. I have mentioned that I wonder if the Horos-myth is a reaction to Atlantis; this would be a very natural result if Atlantis was the city of a prior age, just as Troia is the city of our age.
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Date: 2025-04-26 04:55 pm (UTC)As for Rome, that's very interesting! I haven't studied Rome much, but I get the sense that while the Egyptians had a cyclical conception of time and the Greeks had a conception of time in which things began well but just keep getting worse forever, the Romans seemed to think things stayed the same forever? I wonder if their major myths tie into that, since the Egyptian myths were rooted in astrological cycles, and the Greeks followed Hesiod's Ages of Man...
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Date: 2025-04-29 01:15 pm (UTC)Romans sense of time was that Rome was eternal. That yes, change happened but there was always Rome. Even when the Republic fell, the Civil Wars, and the Empire - all remained static to the continuing of the City. Time really is absent from Roman myths except for Saturnus, who ruled in a Golden Age of Latium. Fornax brought the Romans civilization, but Ovid tells it as "before we were Romans."
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Date: 2025-04-30 10:02 pm (UTC)