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Ζῆνα δέ τις προφρόνως ἐπινίκια κλάζων
τεύξεται φρενῶν τὸ πᾶν,
τὸν φρονεῖν βροτοὺς ὁδώ-
σαντα, τὸν πάθει μάθος
θέντα κυρίως ἔχειν.
στάζει δ᾽ ἔν θ᾽ ὕπνῳ πρὸ καρδίας
μνησιπήμων πόνος: καὶ παρ᾽ ἄ-
κοντας ἦλθε σωφρονεῖν.
δαιμόνων δέ που χάρις βίαιος
σέλμα σεμνὸν ἡμένων.

But whoever willingly sings a victory-song for Zeus, he shall gain wisdom altogether—Zeus, who sets mortals on the path to understanding; Zeus, who has established a fixed law that "wisdom comes by suffering." But even as trouble, bringing memory of pain, drops over the mind in sleep, so wisdom comes to men, whether they want it or not. Harsh, it seems to me, is the grace of gods enthroned upon their awful seats.

(The chorus of Argive elders speaking. Aiskhulos, Agamemnon 174–83, as translated by Herbert Weir Smyth.)

Date: 2025-02-24 04:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
I've been thinking about this quote a lot lately, and have, in fact, written it down a sticky note stuck to my desk right in front of me right now (though I used Bobby Kennedy's looser translation from his speech in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Cheers,
Jeff

Date: 2025-02-24 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
Yeah, I think there's a lot of wisdom in the tragedians, even (especially) when we think it's all been wrung out by cliche or familiarity - revisiting what's actually in there, which is (surprise!) often more religious than most modern tellings credit, can be instructive.

And thanks - I'm doing what I can to find the wisdom in the suffering, but at least this is "reassuring" that I'll get it whether I want it or not.

Cheers,
Jeff

Date: 2025-02-24 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jprussell
Excellent points, and I look forward to reading your thoughts on it!

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