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We cannot see light itself, but only those objects which it illuminates. So it is that we cannot see soul itself, but only those objects which it illuminates.

Consider also looking at the sky on a dark night. If one is not near a city, with its terrestrial lights, you see only the stars; though the Sun is shining brilliantly, we are blind to His effects because we are turned away from them. So it is with soul—if we look away from Divinity, we see only darkness, only matter, and none of the shining which Divinity emits.

Date: 2023-11-02 01:21 pm (UTC)
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We cannot see light itself, but only those objects which it illuminates.

Isn't it the other way around? If you look at a table in a mirror, you see reflected light, while the table itself is in another location.

Date: 2023-11-02 01:54 pm (UTC)
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It seems to me that sight is measuring light. So I would say I see beams of light. Within a certain frequency, with the frequency of green light reported more than the others.

When I look at a candle I see light without it bouncing off anything.

Indeed, that measurement triggers a phantasm or image of a table. Wasn't that process is called figuration? I remember JMG writing about that:

Figuration, as you may recall from those earlier posts, is Owen Barfield’s term for the process by which we assemble the raw material of sensation into a set of objects that, for us, comprise the world. We learn to turn sensations into figurations in earliest infancy by a process of trial and error, and after many corrections and mistakes get sufficiently good at it that we scarcely notice doing it. Thereafter, only certain optical illusions and the occasional experience of mistaking one thing for another shows us just how much mental effort goes into creating what we think of as objective reality.

https://www.ecosophia.net/the-revolt-of-the-imagination-part-one-notes-on-belbury-syndrome/

Date: 2023-11-02 03:05 pm (UTC)
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Looks like a lot depends on how you define "measure". The eye itself certainly doesn't see a table, but levels of excitation in various cells. You define "measure" is what your thinking mind perceives.

Date: 2023-11-03 01:15 pm (UTC)
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I like this. Poetic and good for meditation. Reminds me of something (perhaps from the Tao?) but can't put my finger on it. Thank you.

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